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While McCain doesn’t admit to it publicly, he could hardly be unaware of the massive civilian ‘collateral damage’ administered by the Cluster, Napalm and Incendiary bombing he let loose,
The celebrated journalist Harrison Salisbury, in a series of articles for the New York Times in 1966 described the effects of the Hanoi bombings on local civilians, noting that “small villages and hamlets along the route were almost obliterated”. Years later Mc Namara acknowledged that Operation ‘rolling Thunder’ (of which McCain, clocking up 23 missions was an enthusiastic participant) and which unloaded 800 tons of ordinance per day over North Vietnam, caused more than a million deaths and injuries each year from 1965 to 1968. While some of the Vietnamese army had access to an underground network of defensive tunnels civilians bore the brunt of the horrific airborne onslaught
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Croxx your point is valid, and I would raise the very same objections if it were a WWII carpet bomber up for election – Ken in the spirit of open debate I am attempting to court answers for significant questions. Is this a problem ? – King Of Battle a poignant verse – EddyJ consider the long term objectives of the US military command and political control. The covert strategy to drain enemy morale by introducing carpet bombing techniques is nothing new. You dismiss the value of avoiding civilian casualties with almost frivolous contempt, do you feel the same way about the Americans who died on 9/11, or are they ‘special’? Personally I do believe that anyone who has ever abused or worse, killed a child isn’t fit to hold the post of President. That’s just me, and perhaps you don’t share the same value of human life. Yes McCain did serve’ in the US military, and not only knows the horror but actually created the horror for those that experienced the agony of his ‘brave’ bomb d
his ‘brave’ bomb dropping career, from the safety of 50.000 feet
Eric w makes some good and interesting revelations. I do think though, that moral aptitude is very important for the leadership role, so disagree with him on that point. Hot Couture your argument that the chain of command must be followed, and that this is the hallmark of a ‘strong individual’ is fallacious. It is precisely the ability to question a command, which defines the true strength of an individual’s character. This is justified when a command directs one to slaughter woman, children and old men. McCain’s failure to display such moral fortitude is a telling flaw Curtis B your racist attitude is a sad reflection on the insular and often nationalistic perspectives of your country
m1mike what’s for sure is that the aerial bombers engaged in operation ‘Rolling Thunder’, weren’t dropping leaflets, or flowers. If you look at any of the official records, the sheer tonnage of ordinance let loose is deeply depressing, and the results of their impact on the civilians receiving this generous American deposit aren’t too difficult to envisage. Your next point that Vietnam is to blame for its own bombardment is quite absurd. In London during WWII military departments and the ministry of defence were in and amongst urban city centres, as were anti aircraft placements, to protect civilians, but using your cold and pedantic ‘logic’ the Blitz was in fact the fault of Churchill. The point regarding carpet bombing is partially answered in the follow up to my original question when Salisbury describes the impact of a trail of bombing on the civilian settlements within as much as a mile of any target (see the new York times archives) and also Mc Namara’s statistical admissions
…admissions on Vietnam operations, (widely available government information). You miss the sarcasm inherent in my 50.000 feet comment m1. As for the type of weapon, which downed McCain into the Hanoi lake, he cannot remember. concede ~ ‘sick puppy’? By the looks of your avatar you must be joking. Interesting that you’ve nothing to contribute other than your own need to attempt censor or free and adult debate.
EddyJ
As I’ve said, the intentions of the then political leadership in America, the CIA and the troops involved in the Vietnam War are indeed in question. Civilians are routinely obliterated in wars, not as you suggest, merely as accidental victims but in manic attempts to diminish enemy morale. Someone with your blinkered perspective obviously cannot grasp the concept of covert objectives, so you throw your hands up in amoral resignation of such slaughter of the innocents, affording a tacit support of the practice under the banner of ‘accepting the reality of war’. Then, typically, you cite excuses such as the placement of enemy defensive weaponry to proportion blame on the victims of US aggression. Nothing new from apologists of war crimes.
Your incredulity that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 should be evoked in conjunction with US foreign aggression is also a predictable reaction from the unthinking American. When your government uses terrorist tactics to further its own
…interests, as in Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq, you readily accept the package as ‘an unfortunate reality of war’, so long as it comes in a thin veneer of military respectability. When the same brutality is enacted on your own soil, it’s ‘an unacceptable evil’ that cannot be fathomed by civilized folk. I do not say you hold no value in human life, only that yours is perverse
On the issue of newborns I also find it quite reprehensible that medical professionals in the US are making quick and easy money through routine circumcision of helpless infants. Such an unnecessary and primitive practice. (see my question ‘is infant circumcision a form of child abuse?’)
nosdda we should single out McCain because of the office he holds and was aiming to assume

Dear you all,

How do you do? Thank you for taking your time to read this.
I would like you to correct my poor English. I would appreciate if you could change it as fluently as possible.

Thank you for your kindness! I hope you are having a good day!

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Hawaii is beautiful ^^ I also took many pics when I was there, but I cannot see them any more as my former pc had them and it is out of order. I wish I could see them again, those pics have a lot of memories of Hawaii.

You heard from one of the companies in Japan!? EEE!
Do you think that you can live in Japan? It’s said that to live in another country is hard…and I think it’s true.
It would be really cool that if you live and work in Tokyo, and I hope your Tokyo life would be okay for you.

Hee, you’re a rap singer, aren’t you? That sounds really great.
I’m a terrible singer as well as a terrible dancer. I respect people who can do what I can’t do!

I also want to go to Korea ^^ I’ve never been there, but my sisters and dad went there and they love it!
I would like to visit Korea, HongKong, Vietnam, and Turkey. It would be a great experience if I could go there.

ee! your cousin is from Japan?? so, she can teach and help you with your Japanese ^^
I understand how you feel. I do not speak English much, because I’m embarrassed it,just like your Japanese.
However, it seems that you can speak Japanese very well. You can write mails in Japanese, if you fancy ^^

You think the Japanese young people looks not friendly, I totally agree with you,
Girls are still okay, but boys intimidate me, too ^^; However, I know I was kind of such people when I was younger.
(my ex were such youth as well as his friends) As I am getting older, my thought towards the youth looks not friendly ^^;
My youngest brother is seventeen, so he is a young boy. He is a really serious boy, though.
I think he’s never smoked cigarettes, drank alcohol, changed his hair colour, had any piercings, nearly never be late for his school….etc.
I prefer such a serious guy to a guy who acts cool, mind only his looks. I see you are a serious guy ^^

Thank you for saying that you feel like you can be a tour guide if I ever come there again ^^
I wonder if my host family is fine or not. I’ve not heard anything from them for more than five years.

A guy goes to the Post Office to interview for a job. The interviewer asks him, “Are you a Veteran?” The guy says, “Why yes, in fact, I served two tours in Vietnam.”

“Good,” says the interviewer, “That counts in your favor. Do you have any service-related disabilities?”

The guy says, “In fact I am 100% disabled. During a battle, an explosion removed my private parts so they declared me disabled, it doesn’t affect my ability to work, though.”

“Sorry to hear about the damage, but I have some good news for you, I can hire you right now! Our working hours are 8 to 4. Come on in about 10, and we’ll get you started”.

The guy says, “If working hours are 8 to 4, why do you want me to come in at 10?”

“Well, here at the post office, we don’t do anything but sit around and scratch our balls for the first two hours. Don’t need you here for that!”

A guy goes to the post office to interview for a job.
The interviewer asks him, “Are you a veteran?”
The guy says,”Why, yes, in fact I served two tours in Vietnam.”
“Good,” says the interviewer. “That counts in your favour. Do you have any service-related dissabilities?”
The guy says, “In fact I am 100% disabled. During a battle an explosion removed my private parts so they declared me disabled. It doesn’t affect my ability to work though.”
“Sorry to hear about the damage, but I have some good news for you. I can hire you right now! Our working hours are 8 to 4. Come on in about 10, and we’ll get you started.”
“The guy says, “If working hours are from 8 to 4, why do you want me to come in at 10?”
“Well, here at the post office, we don’t do anything but sit around and scratch our ba*ls for the first two hours. Don’t need you here for that!”

i’m planning a trip there next year, to do a bit of volunteer work and also an organised tour. just wondered what people thought of the country, did you feel safe there, what is the food like etc?
p.s i dont need details about the country, just wanted personal experiences/tips/etc. thanks.